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this is Lou Elizondo and you are

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listening to that UFO podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast my name is Andy and this is a

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look at the UFO hearings that just

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happened today in the United States

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joining me I didn't know they were I

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didn't know they were taking place today

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well that's done and joining me from the

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um is back temporarily

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um well yes they were out today

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um depending on when you listen to this

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then there might be tomorrow there might

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have been a few days ago they might have

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been weeks ago could have been years ago

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if you're listening to this in the

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future and our alien overlords have

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landed and taken over and these are

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totally a waste of time but um yeah

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we're going to give some very well

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unfleshed out thoughts instant reaction

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um our opinion may change in a few days

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so don't get angry don't send us a lot

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of hate

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um but yeah the committee on armed

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services subcommittee on emerging

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threats and capabilities Dan rolls off

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the tongue had its UFO hearings

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essentially today for the Layman

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um no one get angry UAP UFO hearings

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um SCP yeah scpm will get to why it's SC

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P but I like that actually that yeah

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we'll get to why I like that

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um we were met on the the build up with

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a lovely screen for about half an hour

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saying hearing on the mission activities

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oversight and budget of the old domain

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anomaly resolution office coverage

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begins momentarily that was the first

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lie because it took about 45 minutes to

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an hour before it started indeed yeah I

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was on a bus from London to Wales and

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like the whole time I was like okay I

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can watch this on the bus and make my

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notes and actually the hearing started

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as I got off the bus brilliant yeah I

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did see that too didn't I was like I'll

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probably start late a bit of time but it

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came it kicks off because as some folks

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may or may not know there were the two

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healings today the first one uh that

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happened before this was the closed

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section so classified security clearance

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is required and as we normally see and

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it is pure speculation but probably the

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some of the good stuff was talked about

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that even if it's to do with foreign

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adversarial Tech or the truly unknown

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stuff interesting systems and and

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sensory arrays they have we don't get to

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hear about that and that was discussed

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in the earlier portion that then

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potentially overran when that finish to

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take a break came back in and then had

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um what's really good about that part

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taking place first is it means that a

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bunch of the questions that we heard

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probably uh agilebrand kind of trying to

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than than we would have known had they

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been the other way around you know well

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chatting it if that's the right phrase

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was a Senator Kirsten gillibrand that

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many folks will know as a sort of

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advocate for the UAP subject within the

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political walls of the United States

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governmental system and also Senator

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Johnny Ernst and if I'm right Kirsten

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gillibran's a Democrat Johnny Ernst is a

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republican so sitting side by side you

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had the kind of bipartisan

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representation of the UFO subject

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subject right there and there which was

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um they both had kind of opening gambits

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opening statements uh custom Jilla

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expected she has a strong Keen interest

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in this topic in this Arena she's been a

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big advocate for it and Johnny Ernst I

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um lent towards it being foreign

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adversarial technology conversation that

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she was looking at very much China

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Russia you know what China and Russia

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have What are China and Russia doing and

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that's how our questions were presented

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as it went on yeah

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um early on then don't know if it struck

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you but I expected uh a bigger setting a

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bigger room more people and I think

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others did online as well

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whereas this one just kind of seemed

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like a room off to the side

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before you go to the main chamber yeah

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exactly the the kind of place that I

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would expect the closed portion of the

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hearings take place I guess

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um so so that was interesting to see but

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it wasn't as you know at least the table

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wasn't as long as Putin's table you know

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in those pictures that could have been a

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bit extreme but yeah you had everyone

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and then Chun Kirkpatrick just kind of

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kind of where everyone could see him

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didn't have too many players as as you

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mentioned Dr Sean Patrick who is the

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director of Arrow essentially the the

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main guy in the UFO office right now for

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the United States

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um he largely made up who we heard from

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and that's that's kind of out in 10

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minute session it was very much and I

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think some of the confusion online with

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people discussing and debating

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expectations and what was going to

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the setting and who was going to be

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there and what was going to be discussed

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this was largely Dr Sean Kirkpatrick

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like it said in that early screen the

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mission activities oversight and budget

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of Arrow and then there was room for

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some follow-up which we'll get to from

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Senator brand Center Ernst and other

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Senator that was asking questions I

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missed her name uh Jackie Jackie Rosen

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okay um senator for Nevada she was

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talking about like the the safety of him

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and in Nevada and yeah you know things

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like that yeah again some lot of Johnny

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ernstor very much aimed at the

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terrestrial prosaic military point of

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view yeah so again we are watching this

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like any of you listening to this will

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unlikely just be military enthusiasts

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and you know public servants you have

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got an interest in the UFO topic so

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that's why we have an interest in

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watching this

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um however Dr Sean Kirkpatrick came in

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um he mentions it's been nine months

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since Arrow started and I I don't know

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if you can understand you'd probably do

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but it's not necessarily a very very

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common knowledge I don't think but Sean

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Kirkpatrick's team has only recently

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been fully assembled as well he hasn't

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had that team in place for nine months

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yeah that's right in fact I think the

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number thrown around was like maybe

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three people for the majority of it

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whereas today we heard that he has three

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dozen experts that are kind of part of

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Arrow which is you know it's a lot more

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than what you thought that's encouraging

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and it's the early days it's baby steps

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remember and again this isn't this isn't

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me giving across opinion which I always

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like to warn when I'm doing back during

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the the early days before the task force

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report was coming out I remember getting

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all that build up and we had Louis zondo

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TV and a whole host of others other

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and couldn't come from the task force

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report the main message that kept coming

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out was they had not had enough time to

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compel the report they were being

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hamstrung they were doing it with one

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hand tied behind their back and one hand

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and over one eye and the pen was running

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out of ink that was largely what was

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being said and I think Chris melon kept

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saying it was three to four years would

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have been a more realistic timeline to

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not even perfect but a good amount of

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data a lot of knowledge a lot of

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compartmentalization to be brought

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together different people to work

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think of him before or after this has

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been in charge of idol for nine months

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that's not a lot of time that's less

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than a quarter of the time

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Chris Merlin and others said would be

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required for this sort of thing to

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really work properly and I think that's

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that's fair to say that much for the

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get-go then yeah yeah I would agree

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um it's still shocking to me that

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you know data should have been handed

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over from uaptf to aimsog to Arrow you

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office over the past very few years but

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in fact it doesn't seem like they had

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much of a database previously and and

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that you know during these hearings Sean

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normalizing the reporting and the

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databases that they have and this is

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great but it kind of made me feel like

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um so I I was encouraged by Sean's kind

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of scientific rigorous approach uh that

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his character came across that is just

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opinion I know it it divided some folk

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said it was typically boring to have

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people lose interest in the topic I

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thought he spoke all right there were

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glimpses of actually a personality

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coming across as well yeah did they want

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like flashing lights or something I

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don't know yeah they'd only be asking

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why they didn't rap yeah

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I think what how he came across to me

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not to jump too far ahead but he was

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reasonable and I I understand and I

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afterwards just saying you know what I

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get a lot of his position I get how he

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came across I don't agree with all of it

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Dr Sean Kirkpatrick I'm a small bit

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disappointed in and we'll come to that

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implementing Frameworks for better

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scientific analysis it very much sounded

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like you know it's a start but we need

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more money more people more time you

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know more backing

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um and more help in a lot of different

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given given where they're at you know

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it's it's it the begging bowls out a

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that necessarily was was wrong because

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Senator gillibrand seemed to be quite

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open to supporting and you know do you

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need this yep then we can write a letter

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to your superiors I thought it is to

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help you get that and I wonder does that

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come from the classified briefing

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happening first that she's heard enough

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that and maybe I am looking at this

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glass half Phil she's had enough in

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those early

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conversations that we don't hear to go

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enough's being done that I can I can be

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comfortable not hauling this guy over

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hot coals here and offering the backing

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and support required

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yeah I think that's totally fair to say

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you know we heard her at several points

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say you know do you need more access do

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you need us to chase up like the for

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example the the secure system where

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people can

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send uh Arrow information on Legacy

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programs and things like that uh she

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asked him when that was going to be

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established and he said you know we

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submitted our plan before Christmas and

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we haven't heard anything so then she

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responded with okay fine we're gonna

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help you trace that up then yeah so it

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seems like

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at the very least they they all view

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each other as on the same side instead

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of adversarial it wasn't like Moultrie

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and Bray last time like you said where

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it felt like a kind of dog and pony show

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that that wasn't the case at all here it

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felt more collaborative you know yeah

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and he um

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I've made a note to say I think some of

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the issue is that there are some folks

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and it's not it's not unfair okay but

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they want a Richard Dolan or Linda

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Moulton Howe type personality or

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character in the position of Dr Sean

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Kirkpatrick you're not going to get that

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and the highest levels of government

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even the most staunch of UFO or UAP

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Advocates maybe like a Jilla brand or a

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barchette would I don't think would go

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that far

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um and that can frustrate a lot of

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people I think what you've got is

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someone who looks like they want to do

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like you said Implement better

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Frameworks for scientific analysis

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um and this is where something I think's

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been really misconstrued and this is

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something that might change in the

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coming days as I read other people's

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analysis now in my opinion to be fluid

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like I've said sure

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um but

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he said and this was kind of about the

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human touch that Adam's mission is to

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turn up into SCP that's someone else's

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problem or somebody else's problem

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that's funny I like that you know about

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humor

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um what that means for me is that all

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they would be doing an arrow as

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identifying what an object is what one

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of those cases is and then they they

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don't have the authority to act on that

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there's no they're in the military wing

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of Arrow unless I'm mistaken that then

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goes out and finds whatever it is or you

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know tries to shoot it down or they

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don't then order the Navy to send out

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you know Jets from a fleet that's not

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what happens they're just there to stay

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together and hand it off to someone else

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and that's that's what he means by that

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isn't it because it then needs to go to

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the Air Force the Navy the CIA the FBI

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whoever it might be and they then deal

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with that from there yeah that's

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absolutely right uh the the bit I liked

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is where he said you know if we were

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ever to find something that was provably

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extraterrestrial then they would engage

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with NASA and NASA has a remit to be

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public facing and to talk to the public

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so I like that Sean is using those tools

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in a specific way you know he's building

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the database out and as we know 99 of

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things that people see in the sky that

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they think are strange probably aren't

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but it's that one percent that we're

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kind of interested in and and it's nice

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that Sean kind of almost has a workflow

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for any possibility even though he

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hasn't come across it he still knows

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what he would do if he came across it

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which tells me that he's a little more

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open-minded than you know Bray and

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Moultrie like you were the last time and

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you know hats off to Sean as well there

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were no technical mishaps no mucking

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about with

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three second videos trying to kind of

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pause it in the middle you know he was

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really well prepared and it came across

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as a well-prepared presentation yeah

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we'll get we'll get to the videos and

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listen if anyone's listening to this

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first 12 minutes and going oh here they

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go being overly praiseworthy of Sean

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Kirkpatrick we'll get to the issues and

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there are there are plenty of them

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um but I thought when he said only a

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small portion of objects that they have

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looked at truly give off anomalous

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readings most are present clutter

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balloons that's that's fair and expected

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because that that is still true you know

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when they say half the cases and we say

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this at the time when Julian Barnes

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article dropped way back when talking

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about the number of cases that were

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going to come out in that report and

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they said half of them were prosaic but

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that doesn't mean the other half are all

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extraterrestrial that means the rest

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haven't been you know identified and we

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said or I think a lot of people said to

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be fair a lot of those will still be

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prosaic as in Chinese Russian U.S

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technology balloons hobby balloons all

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that kind of good stuff but they're

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still then the small percentage of those

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that are there the ET stuff the

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non-human stuff the anti-dimensional

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stuff whatever you want to call it

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that's what we're really interested and

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excited about that's not going to going

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to get mentioned in a hearing like this

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for me and it was as dismissive to the

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ET hypothesis as I expected and and to

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quote what he actually said

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um only a small percentage of UAP

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reports have signatures that are

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anomalous most demonstrate mundane

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characteristics and arrow has quote

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unquote No credible evidence of

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extraterrestrial origins of objects let

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me annoy some folks just now done so he

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could have and should have said if he

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meant what he said no evidence of

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extraterrestrial origin of objects he

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said no credible evidence of

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extraterrestrial origin of objects now

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what he views as credible and what you

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and I or listeners or anyone else feels

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as credible are going to differ wildly

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so that's not to say there may be some

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evidence maybe might be a weak evidence

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might be evidence that right now they

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don't even know can they class it as

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evidence because they don't know what it

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is but he said no credible evidence and

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these are people that are usually pretty

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careful with their wording and are you

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generally reading things off about paper

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for the most part as well so I

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I I'm choosing to go with when he says

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no credible evidence that doesn't mean

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no evidence

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I I think you're exactly right on that

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you know they they said that they've had

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about uh 12 people passed on to to them

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to kind of testify and in another part

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Sean alluded to the fact that single

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Source kind of data so like eyewitness

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accounts on their own don't really make

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up for evidence it's interesting but

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they can't really do much with that

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um he wants the hard data and the

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multiple data points and things like

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that so yeah I think I think that's what

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he's getting at you know so for example

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Robert Salas we know that he testified

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to Arrow do they have access to to what

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Robert Salas kind of experienced to the

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data from that event probably not it was

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a while ago right so he would probably

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put that in the it's hard to kind of

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hold this up as a credible case

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um not to say that you know I'm not

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saying at all that it didn't happen uh

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I'm just trying to think if I'm sure on

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the point of view in terms of you know

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the amount of data points that they have

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in the amount of sensors and things like

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that single Source stories what we'll

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put into Room 101 when we did that by

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Sean Cahill and and we're kind of just

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seeing that you know on a government

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level to kind of say yeah you know these

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are interesting they might help inform

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the trends and patterns when we're kind

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of applying uh language learning models

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to these things which is just chat GPT

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basically

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um

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But ultimately we can't prove anything

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with that one bit of testimony

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okay let me get frustrated now and for

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those who think I've been too kind on Dr

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Sean Kirkpatrick and also the

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disappointing Senator gillibrand

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um let me tell you why and I'll share

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some of those other other issues as well

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um

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that's fair 100 I imagine maybe they've

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had some folks come forward and go yeah

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so who are you yeah I am pilot I am

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wingman I am this I am that and I saw

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this object at this place at this time

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brilliant amazing testimony and but

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there's no data we didn't really pick

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anything up we didn't collect anything

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okay that's great thanks he looks at

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that and goes this is the stuff that he

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mentions later to send out Jilla brand

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I've not been sent the best stuff as he

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can I put it okay I'll paraphrase

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um however let's look at David forever

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Alex Dietrich

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um and those events so where's the data

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from those where's the video of the Tic

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Tac because

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F what they are saying is correct why

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hasn't he seen that and I'm I'm assuming

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he has because surely for the love of

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God those were some of the first bits of

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evidence he looked at

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um what about the the 23 minute video of

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pure sci-fi you know what we hear about

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what about the videos and the evidence

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that Senators like verchette Warner

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Rubio Gallagher Jella brand and Co are

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seeing in different you know briefings

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um as he's saying he's not seen that or

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is he saying he's seen that and none of

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that is at all interesting remind me who

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is it that said about the 23 minute

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video uh I think that exact quote is

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from is it Bob McGuire so yeah but yeah

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right okay I guess the media right yes

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yes yes yes however so but even if you

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remove that there's still tons of stuff

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so right yeah so scratch that remove

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that the the 23 minute video not to say

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it doesn't exist because that was

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something that's been plucked out and

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injected into something that may or may

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not be correct however we're still

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hearing that senators are and Congress

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men and women are seeing evidence

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that is blowing them away so where is

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where is that amongst this conversation

548
00:19:16,610 --> 00:19:14,280
you know what is a Timber chat getting

549
00:19:18,770 --> 00:19:16,620
so upset about that he has seen and

550
00:19:20,930 --> 00:19:18,780
heard that isn't being said here

551
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:20,940
and for me

552
00:19:24,590 --> 00:19:23,039
and again this might change it's an

553
00:19:26,750 --> 00:19:24,600
instant reaction and I'm a nobody I

554
00:19:28,010 --> 00:19:26,760
don't know right so Sarah brand if she

555
00:19:30,350 --> 00:19:28,020
ever heard this would be like what a

556
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:30,360
dick and she'd be right but

557
00:19:35,930 --> 00:19:33,360
I expected more from Senator custom

558
00:19:38,330 --> 00:19:35,940
gillibrand on this I don't think the

559
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:38,340
pushback was anywhere near what I

560
00:19:44,029 --> 00:19:40,799
expected I don't think the follow-ups

561
00:19:46,250 --> 00:19:44,039
were anywhere near is as powerful as

562
00:19:47,690 --> 00:19:46,260
they could have been and the only thing

563
00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:47,700
I'm holding on to

564
00:19:53,210 --> 00:19:50,640
and I hope this is the case as that she

565
00:19:56,210 --> 00:19:53,220
heard enough and that closed briefing

566
00:19:57,890 --> 00:19:56,220
enclosed session that satisfied what she

567
00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:57,900
wants to get out of all of this in terms

568
00:20:03,289 --> 00:20:00,960
of a long game that she needs to support

569
00:20:06,110 --> 00:20:03,299
Sean Kirkpatrick and his team going

570
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:06,120
forward and to to maybe push anything

571
00:20:10,010 --> 00:20:07,919
like that and this setting wasn't the

572
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:10,020
time and place and that it's one of

573
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:12,000
those that let's lose the war but we'll

574
00:20:15,770 --> 00:20:14,400
lose the battle but win the war so today

575
00:20:17,390 --> 00:20:15,780
we take one on the channel and we have

576
00:20:19,549 --> 00:20:17,400
to move it down the line

577
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:19,559
because ultimately I'll be honest I was

578
00:20:23,930 --> 00:20:21,600
a little bit disappointed with that

579
00:20:26,210 --> 00:20:23,940
um Sean Kirkpatrick performed and said

580
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:26,220
what I pretty much thought he would

581
00:20:30,350 --> 00:20:28,080
yeah same you know it was very similar

582
00:20:32,210 --> 00:20:30,360
to that transport kind of meeting slide

583
00:20:33,650 --> 00:20:32,220
thing that he did not not too long ago I

584
00:20:35,570 --> 00:20:33,660
think it was just a few days before the

585
00:20:37,370 --> 00:20:35,580
report you know very analytical very

586
00:20:38,930 --> 00:20:37,380
data driven kind of presented what what

587
00:20:40,970 --> 00:20:38,940
he was given

588
00:20:42,590 --> 00:20:40,980
um but yeah I I would say the same as

589
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:42,600
you you know some of the pushback I

590
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:45,360
literally have a note here where I've

591
00:20:48,770 --> 00:20:47,280
just written drill down on anomalies and

592
00:20:50,090 --> 00:20:48,780
stop sucking up to show on it almost

593
00:20:52,010 --> 00:20:50,100
felt like they were patting him on the

594
00:20:55,370 --> 00:20:52,020
back for for some things that hadn't

595
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:55,380
been done yet and I just wanted them you

596
00:20:58,010 --> 00:20:56,880
know every time it handed to a new

597
00:20:59,570 --> 00:20:58,020
person they were like ah thank you for

598
00:21:01,730 --> 00:20:59,580
your work blah blah blah blah blah blah

599
00:21:03,890 --> 00:21:01,740
blah and I was just like that easily you

600
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:03,900
know almost 15 minutes was just them

601
00:21:09,169 --> 00:21:06,000
praising each other a little bit like at

602
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:09,179
the the Oscars or the MTV Music stand on

603
00:21:12,289 --> 00:21:10,799
stage and it's like Beyonce giving

604
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:12,299
Rihanna and what award and they just

605
00:21:16,909 --> 00:21:15,360
they gush over each other yeah okay it's

606
00:21:18,409 --> 00:21:16,919
not really the place for it like I know

607
00:21:19,970 --> 00:21:18,419
they're being professional and I know

608
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,980
that you know there's an order to these

609
00:21:23,930 --> 00:21:21,840
things but the second that he said

610
00:21:25,370 --> 00:21:23,940
anomalies I wanted Jilla brand to just

611
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:25,380
talk onto that and just be like okay

612
00:21:28,610 --> 00:21:26,880
cool let's talk about these anomalies

613
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,620
you know we'll give as much space to

614
00:21:32,990 --> 00:21:30,240
this as we're gonna give to the Chinese

615
00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:33,000
balloons for example okay so something I

616
00:21:37,250 --> 00:21:35,700
kept seeing notable voices in people and

617
00:21:38,930 --> 00:21:37,260
it's not wrong

618
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,940
um go on about for a long time now on

619
00:21:42,529 --> 00:21:40,320
Twitter was that they're going to bring

620
00:21:44,690 --> 00:21:42,539
up crash retrieval programs and that's

621
00:21:46,930 --> 00:21:44,700
going to blow everything wide open

622
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:46,940
um why didn't they

623
00:21:51,409 --> 00:21:49,919
yeah it's a good question

624
00:21:53,090 --> 00:21:51,419
um you know the closest we got to it was

625
00:21:56,450 --> 00:21:53,100
talking about that

626
00:21:58,490 --> 00:21:56,460
you know secure submission system uh

627
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:58,500
that the people would be able to use and

628
00:22:01,250 --> 00:22:00,000
they said you know we've had 12 people

629
00:22:03,230 --> 00:22:01,260
testifying and stuff we didn't really

630
00:22:05,630 --> 00:22:03,240
hear anything about them we didn't hear

631
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:05,640
any details you know the most detail we

632
00:22:10,010 --> 00:22:07,679
got were from the two presentations on

633
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,020
those two videos that Sean showed and

634
00:22:13,930 --> 00:22:12,000
beyond that yeah nothing was really

635
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:13,940
pushed it was a very comfortable

636
00:22:18,890 --> 00:22:16,799
chatting space you know yeah I kind of

637
00:22:20,270 --> 00:22:18,900
as much as I love Sean's approach in

638
00:22:21,770 --> 00:22:20,280
terms of you know we have to come up

639
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:21,780
with new science sometimes to kind of

640
00:22:25,549 --> 00:22:23,280
explain things

641
00:22:27,649 --> 00:22:25,559
um I really wanted them to drill down on

642
00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:27,659
those anomalies the second that he said

643
00:22:31,490 --> 00:22:29,400
somebody else's problem they should have

644
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:31,500
said okay everything that's SCP we're

645
00:22:35,149 --> 00:22:33,120
not talking about here because it's not

646
00:22:37,130 --> 00:22:35,159
relevant to this discussion your remit

647
00:22:38,990 --> 00:22:37,140
is for the more anomalous stuff it's in

648
00:22:41,630 --> 00:22:39,000
your name you know yeah all domain

649
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,640
anomaly that's let's let's touch on

650
00:22:45,770 --> 00:22:43,440
those slides okay um because I think

651
00:22:47,330 --> 00:22:45,780
half of Twitter work um snipping tooling

652
00:22:49,630 --> 00:22:47,340
them as they as they popped up on the

653
00:22:52,130 --> 00:22:49,640
screen and so shapes

654
00:22:54,049 --> 00:22:52,140
yeah we did

655
00:22:58,190 --> 00:22:54,059
um so the first one was UAP report and

656
00:23:00,049 --> 00:22:58,200
Trends 96 to 2023 uh interesting day any

657
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,059
reason for the 27 year

658
00:23:05,090 --> 00:23:03,120
time frame and you know like I've just

659
00:23:07,549 --> 00:23:05,100
noticed I don't think so I I haven't I

660
00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:07,559
you know nothing being told I I guess

661
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,720
maybe there's like a sensor that came in

662
00:23:13,730 --> 00:23:12,000
on multiple senses yeah that's when they

663
00:23:15,289 --> 00:23:13,740
get the best data from you know uh but

664
00:23:16,610 --> 00:23:15,299
yeah so fair enough could be we'll find

665
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,620
out more I'm sure I gave you some

666
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:18,720
information on your AP altitudes and it

667
00:23:22,130 --> 00:23:20,159
was pretty dismissive from the offset

668
00:23:23,810 --> 00:23:22,140
here because it says most of them are

669
00:23:25,310 --> 00:23:23,820
seen at this height because this is

670
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,320
where commercial airlines are that's

671
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:27,360
pretty much it fair enough yeah that I

672
00:23:30,289 --> 00:23:28,559
mean that's speaking of the bias right

673
00:23:31,330 --> 00:23:30,299
you you can only detect things where

674
00:23:34,190 --> 00:23:31,340
you've got

675
00:23:35,630 --> 00:23:34,200
also facts isn't it as well that yeah

676
00:23:37,789 --> 00:23:35,640
people are going to see things at a

677
00:23:39,049 --> 00:23:37,799
certain height which me looking up in

678
00:23:40,970 --> 00:23:39,059
the sky and going oh there's a satellite

679
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,980
I don't know it's a satellite it could

680
00:23:43,850 --> 00:23:42,480
actually be a really high altitude jet

681
00:23:45,409 --> 00:23:43,860
I'm just saying because I'm not a

682
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:45,419
trained Observer and sure I'm

683
00:23:48,049 --> 00:23:46,799
guesstimating it

684
00:23:50,330 --> 00:23:48,059
um it also had on the same page

685
00:23:53,210 --> 00:23:50,340
typically reported uep characteristics

686
00:23:55,250 --> 00:23:53,220
wasn't a whole lot instantly interesting

687
00:23:57,529 --> 00:23:55,260
on that to be honest um color white

688
00:23:59,210 --> 00:23:57,539
silver translucent I believe he also

689
00:24:02,029 --> 00:23:59,220
said metallic when he was reading that

690
00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:02,039
bit but that's not on yeah yeah

691
00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:04,260
um but again

692
00:24:08,270 --> 00:24:06,120
maybe looking into it too much but he

693
00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:08,280
did see it's not on the side hey ho

694
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,860
um reported UAP morphology

695
00:24:15,770 --> 00:24:12,480
um interesting there and it talks about

696
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,780
basically the shapes of UAP 50 or brown

697
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,760
sphere as you would expect that is going

698
00:24:21,049 --> 00:24:19,440
to account as well and no doubt for

699
00:24:23,390 --> 00:24:21,059
stars

700
00:24:24,649 --> 00:24:23,400
um satellites starlinks satellites you

701
00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:24,659
know all that kind of stuff people see

702
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:26,820
jets planes at night

703
00:24:32,330 --> 00:24:29,520
um and also real orbs for those out

704
00:24:34,370 --> 00:24:32,340
there who are orb fans uh so this stuff

705
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,380
would be the stuff from the report that

706
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,480
was like redacted right

707
00:24:40,909 --> 00:24:38,640
um so all of these shapes they'd spoken

708
00:24:43,730 --> 00:24:40,919
about before but the polygon avoided it

709
00:24:51,950 --> 00:24:43,740
polygon isn't interesting polygon five

710
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:53,870
um yeah but it's got sphere rectangle

711
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:55,760
triangle

712
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,799
cylinder Tech tax on there as well which

713
00:25:02,090 --> 00:25:00,720
is you know nice use of language

714
00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:02,100
um but yeah that was that was pretty

715
00:25:06,890 --> 00:25:03,720
much the first one and reported uep

716
00:25:08,450 --> 00:25:06,900
hotspots uh that aren't surprising it's

717
00:25:10,370 --> 00:25:08,460
the places that normally come up because

718
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:10,380
it's the the kind of Western places with

719
00:25:13,970 --> 00:25:11,760
or

720
00:25:15,770 --> 00:25:13,980
um that UAP hotspot I can't remember who

721
00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:15,780
it was but a general said a few days

722
00:25:20,029 --> 00:25:17,700
back that it's a worldwide issue and

723
00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:20,039
everyone hooked on to it that map says

724
00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:21,480
that it's a worldwide issue because the

725
00:25:24,289 --> 00:25:23,220
US have bases and they have sensors and

726
00:25:25,789 --> 00:25:24,299
they're detecting them all over the

727
00:25:27,529 --> 00:25:25,799
world doesn't mean that there are aliens

728
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:27,539
covering the planet not saying that

729
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:29,039
they're not I'm just being careful to

730
00:25:32,450 --> 00:25:30,539
interpret what Sean's kind of saying

731
00:25:33,769 --> 00:25:32,460
there you know are they though then are

732
00:25:36,049 --> 00:25:33,779
they covering the planet they're

733
00:25:38,210 --> 00:25:36,059
everywhere yeah

734
00:25:39,769 --> 00:25:38,220
um so the next two slides it wasn't a

735
00:25:41,390 --> 00:25:39,779
big presentation the next two slides

736
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,400
contained videos and here's where some

737
00:25:45,649 --> 00:25:43,679
folks again no doubt we'll read into

738
00:25:47,330 --> 00:25:45,659
this how how they want to which is

739
00:25:48,830 --> 00:25:47,340
totally fair and it's been left open to

740
00:25:50,450 --> 00:25:48,840
interpretation

741
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:50,460
um very quickly there were two videos

742
00:25:55,970 --> 00:25:54,240
played the first one was of uh um an orb

743
00:25:57,649 --> 00:25:55,980
flying over the Middle East Street it'll

744
00:25:58,909 --> 00:25:57,659
be I think a lot of us thought and if

745
00:26:00,409 --> 00:25:58,919
you're watching on YouTube you've just

746
00:26:02,990 --> 00:26:00,419
got an orb flying across down the screen

747
00:26:04,669 --> 00:26:03,000
and you've uh

748
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:04,679
God that's often

749
00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:05,760
um even though I knew you were going to

750
00:26:10,430 --> 00:26:08,580
do it the the Middle Eastern orb looked

751
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,440
at a glance like it was the Jenny

752
00:26:15,710 --> 00:26:13,200
mccorbell George not mosul orb and but

753
00:26:17,810 --> 00:26:15,720
the video of it now I asked Jeremy

754
00:26:19,850 --> 00:26:17,820
Corbell and he said no it's not and and

755
00:26:21,710 --> 00:26:19,860
the video it's not the same

756
00:26:23,090 --> 00:26:21,720
um landscape either I just wondered was

757
00:26:25,010 --> 00:26:23,100
it a different bit of the video maybe

758
00:26:26,990 --> 00:26:25,020
that still it came from that Jeremy had

759
00:26:29,330 --> 00:26:27,000
got but he says it's not so but for all

760
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:29,340
we know that video could be designed to

761
00:26:31,730 --> 00:26:30,480
kind of say you know what some of the

762
00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:31,740
videos are anomalous but it doesn't

763
00:26:35,810 --> 00:26:34,260
really mean anything well um that was

764
00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:35,820
that isn't it because it says on it

765
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,340
unresolved inactive archive so he gave

766
00:26:42,649 --> 00:26:40,559
this uh Dr Sean cut Patrick gave this as

767
00:26:45,289 --> 00:26:42,659
an example of here as an orb metallic

768
00:26:47,330 --> 00:26:45,299
looking flying across uh we don't know

769
00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:47,340
what it is and we're still looking into

770
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,380
it that's it we don't have enough data

771
00:26:54,049 --> 00:26:52,080
to to really find out what it is right

772
00:26:56,690 --> 00:26:54,059
now so exactly

773
00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:56,700
um but that that that isn't necessarily

774
00:27:00,769 --> 00:26:57,960
A Bad Thing what they're saying is we've

775
00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:00,779
got a video can't identify it so we need

776
00:27:04,909 --> 00:27:02,940
more need more settings for all we know

777
00:27:06,409 --> 00:27:04,919
in a few years time they could kind of

778
00:27:07,730 --> 00:27:06,419
go okay one of the trends is that there

779
00:27:10,130 --> 00:27:07,740
are definitely metallic orbs flying

780
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:10,140
around and then this active archive orb

781
00:27:13,789 --> 00:27:12,360
becomes something that you know maybe

782
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:13,799
fits that Trend and they kind of go cool

783
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,080
that's that then yeah uh the second one

784
00:27:21,649 --> 00:27:18,480
was an example of uh here's something

785
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:21,659
that's been identified looks um looks so

786
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:24,960
uh sagari shaped however you can kind of

787
00:27:27,769 --> 00:27:26,400
see the trail coming off it and I think

788
00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:27,779
whenever these things are posted online

789
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:30,059
people tend to straight away say signs

790
00:27:33,649 --> 00:27:31,440
of propulsion it's the blood in the

791
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,659
video and they basically identify and

792
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:35,760
show you quite quickly how it's the

793
00:27:40,130 --> 00:27:38,159
camera software artifacts being created

794
00:27:41,210 --> 00:27:40,140
and it's a Southeast Asian passenger

795
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,220
chip

796
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,440
um that's it and that that's fair and

797
00:27:47,810 --> 00:27:45,840
again it's great that this reminds me

798
00:27:49,070 --> 00:27:47,820
and people know I'm I'm a fan of Jeremy

799
00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:49,080
Corbell not that he gets everything

800
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,480
right but the video they put out a few

801
00:27:54,649 --> 00:27:53,279
weeks ago on weaponized

802
00:27:56,269 --> 00:27:54,659
um definitely looked like a missile to

803
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,279
me and until they can provide other data

804
00:27:59,810 --> 00:27:58,080
for that I would go with it so missile

805
00:28:01,970 --> 00:27:59,820
same way this shows you it's a plane

806
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,980
however it gives you the example of

807
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:03,600
there are some stuff identify and some

808
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,279
stuff that hasn't identified they don't

809
00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:06,960
have enough data to fully say what

810
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,700
everything is that was it that was the

811
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:10,320
the summation of the slides Dan yeah

812
00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:12,840
yeah exactly that second one as well uh

813
00:28:16,130 --> 00:28:14,700
it's pen and peer review so it's not

814
00:28:18,649 --> 00:28:16,140
like Sean's just saying this in a vacuum

815
00:28:20,210 --> 00:28:18,659
he's putting it 2p review in a paper so

816
00:28:21,529 --> 00:28:20,220
again just just like people refuted

817
00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:21,539
Abby's work you know when they were

818
00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:23,100
looking at the conventional physics of

819
00:28:26,510 --> 00:28:24,539
things and they submitted peer review

820
00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:26,520
papers people can do this with this one

821
00:28:29,570 --> 00:28:27,960
as well if they if they feel that

822
00:28:31,549 --> 00:28:29,580
they're wrong you know that this is the

823
00:28:33,409 --> 00:28:31,559
process

824
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:33,419
um chunker Patrick mentions that the

825
00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:36,720
quarterly uh report is due very soon and

826
00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:38,760
that the annual report schedule was due

827
00:28:41,810 --> 00:28:40,440
around June July and he says it'll be

828
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:41,820
out around that time and that will

829
00:28:45,950 --> 00:28:44,400
Encompass several reports as well so we

830
00:28:47,690 --> 00:28:45,960
don't have too long to wait before we've

831
00:28:49,370 --> 00:28:47,700
got the quarterly report and then we'll

832
00:28:51,409 --> 00:28:49,380
get that bigger report around the June

833
00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:51,419
in July we won't see the quarterly

834
00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:53,159
report oh yeah that's not a

835
00:28:56,510 --> 00:28:55,080
public-facing one but what we get will

836
00:28:58,669 --> 00:28:56,520
kind of be a summation of all those

837
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:58,679
costly reports over the uh it's going to

838
00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:01,440
be really interesting seeing it because

839
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:03,720
the last report that Sean produced was

840
00:29:09,890 --> 00:29:07,440
from the remit given to amsog as opposed

841
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,900
to you know the legislation that's most

842
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:12,000
current so there should be a bit of

843
00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:13,320
difference in there in a bit more detail

844
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,760
and if those slides are anything to go

845
00:29:18,649 --> 00:29:16,320
by you know few more graphics and things

846
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:18,659
like that he seems intent on

847
00:29:22,250 --> 00:29:20,159
communicating this stuff properly and

848
00:29:23,870 --> 00:29:22,260
effectively yeah

849
00:29:25,490 --> 00:29:23,880
um gillibrand asked about the website

850
00:29:27,049 --> 00:29:25,500
portal being available for folks to

851
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:27,059
report and that was essentially what you

852
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:29,039
mentioned before about whistleblowers

853
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,720
are able to come forward without fear of

854
00:29:35,210 --> 00:29:33,120
reprisal or you know condemnation from

855
00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:35,220
the roles that are in now

856
00:29:41,389 --> 00:29:38,340
um did you notice he he said that um a

857
00:29:43,070 --> 00:29:41,399
lot of the unclassified things so uh you

858
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:43,080
know a non-anomalous case that they've

859
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,399
solved they're going to start posting

860
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,799
those to a web portal where we can see

861
00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:48,480
the workings and and stuff like that

862
00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:50,580
which I think is great it you know it's

863
00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:52,200
transparency where we've wanted it you

864
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:53,640
know yeah

865
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:55,620
um after that then it seemed to me like

866
00:30:02,090 --> 00:29:58,559
it was largely wrapping up and

867
00:30:04,130 --> 00:30:02,100
yeah I cannot I was disappointed in the

868
00:30:06,409 --> 00:30:04,140
follow-up questions and when something

869
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:06,419
was asked I was waiting for Senator

870
00:30:10,669 --> 00:30:08,159
LeBron to hit him with something that

871
00:30:14,090 --> 00:30:10,679
was going to make him either I have to

872
00:30:15,950 --> 00:30:14,100
say I can't talk about that or

873
00:30:17,810 --> 00:30:15,960
give us something

874
00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:17,820
to say we can't answer that you know

875
00:30:21,529 --> 00:30:20,220
fully or and it just didn't come

876
00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:21,539
um so yeah that's that's the point in

877
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:23,460
part for me massively at one point

878
00:30:26,510 --> 00:30:24,960
someone said you know I have a million

879
00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:26,520
questions and then actually they maybe

880
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:29,880
had like two so you know I agree with

881
00:30:32,930 --> 00:30:30,960
you the follow-ups could have been

882
00:30:34,909 --> 00:30:32,940
better and

883
00:30:36,889 --> 00:30:34,919
this is a long game we've spoken about

884
00:30:40,730 --> 00:30:36,899
this before this is going until 2026

885
00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:40,740
2027. so this for me going into it I

886
00:30:44,029 --> 00:30:41,880
expected

887
00:30:45,769 --> 00:30:44,039
them to use this to kind of go okay this

888
00:30:47,210 --> 00:30:45,779
is going to inform legislation this year

889
00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:47,220
now the defense Bill we're going to put

890
00:30:52,010 --> 00:30:49,020
more stuff in to help Arrow to kind of

891
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,020
get this further down the the field and

892
00:30:55,610 --> 00:30:54,000
that seems to be what what happened you

893
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:55,620
know as we were watching it she kept

894
00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:56,880
referencing okay we'll put this in the

895
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,980
bill we'll put this at that in the bill

896
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:00,960
um just just to kind of help out so yeah

897
00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:03,600
like the work is ahead of us but it's

898
00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:05,640
it's clear that he's trying to set up a

899
00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:08,100
very data-driven system but like you say

900
00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:11,340
ignoring that pile of anomalous stuff uh

901
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,700
is is a little disheartening yeah

902
00:31:18,409 --> 00:31:17,039
um from there it finishes up it seems

903
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,419
like they had the time of about an hour

904
00:31:21,649 --> 00:31:20,159
to run to and I think that's why it

905
00:31:23,210 --> 00:31:21,659
could have ended there didn't it um

906
00:31:25,730 --> 00:31:23,220
there wasn't a whole lot much more

907
00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:25,740
followed up on and I think at this point

908
00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:27,960
if you're asking me right after the

909
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,940
event maybe I'll change my mind in a few

910
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:31,200
days

911
00:31:35,389 --> 00:31:33,360
um Treading Water a little bit I don't

912
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:35,399
think we've gone back but I don't think

913
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:36,960
we've gone forward

914
00:31:41,389 --> 00:31:39,360
um yeah it kind of felt like a mid-year

915
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,399
review for Arrow you know like yeah

916
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:43,440
nothing too crazy was given no one's

917
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,399
getting fired no one's getting

918
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,559
promotions it was just yeah this is

919
00:31:50,570 --> 00:31:48,000
going

920
00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:50,580
thing

921
00:31:54,769 --> 00:31:53,220
um but yeah what we'll do is we'll give

922
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:54,779
a couple of these if you want to get in

923
00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:56,399
touch and let us know your thoughts do

924
00:32:02,389 --> 00:31:58,260
it on the usual channels post on social

925
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:02,399
media ideally email UFO UAP am gmail.com

926
00:32:06,590 --> 00:32:04,200
and I get it all in one place which is

927
00:32:08,269 --> 00:32:06,600
nice and we'll look at for some reaction

928
00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:08,279
at that point as well there's not been

929
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:10,440
too much so far from and they kind of

930
00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:11,760
bigger names that we're looking for to

931
00:32:15,710 --> 00:32:14,220
comment on this and then yeah and

932
00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:15,720
they'll be no doubt over the next year

933
00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:17,700
to a couple of blogs and articles and

934
00:32:21,049 --> 00:32:19,320
we'll look to get something else out on

935
00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:21,059
Friday but this has just been more of an

936
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:23,100
instant reaction we've not went back

937
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:25,140
over it and listened to it again

938
00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:28,559
um but yeah honest thoughts interesting

939
00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:30,600
um

940
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,120
Mania than end game would we say yeah

941
00:32:46,850 --> 00:32:44,159
yeah definitely

942
00:32:48,649 --> 00:32:46,860
um yeah five and a half like and that's

943
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,659
more of a I'm glad they happened I would

944
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:51,120
rather these happen than don't but I

945
00:32:54,049 --> 00:32:52,559
completely get the side of the

946
00:32:55,549 --> 00:32:54,059
frustration on this one

947
00:32:57,769 --> 00:32:55,559
but

948
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:57,779
yeah there's like a couple of really I'd

949
00:33:02,029 --> 00:33:00,000
almost rather he said no evidence of

950
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:02,039
extraterrestrial origin rather than no

951
00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:03,600
credible evidence because I will argue

952
00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:08,039
that one because he said yeah where he's

953
00:33:12,169 --> 00:33:09,720
kind of saying no no this is data driven

954
00:33:14,509 --> 00:33:12,179
and yeah then but but what I'll do is

955
00:33:16,130 --> 00:33:14,519
I'll speak to you know the person I know

956
00:33:17,330 --> 00:33:16,140
that knows Sean and kind of just try and

957
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:17,340
get a little bit of light shed on that

958
00:33:20,269 --> 00:33:18,720
because it might be totally innocuous

959
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:20,279
and we're just taking it in the wrong

960
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:21,600
way you know

961
00:33:26,810 --> 00:33:24,179
um but yeah for now I guess burn him no

962
00:33:28,130 --> 00:33:26,820
I'm kidding like six times for me yeah I

963
00:33:30,049 --> 00:33:28,140
might I might pay for our LinkedIn

964
00:33:34,610 --> 00:33:30,059
premium again tonight and be like come

965
00:33:36,169 --> 00:33:34,620
on Sean Patrick just come on do it do

966
00:33:37,789 --> 00:33:36,179
non-human intelligence just say it just

967
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:37,799
say it once for it yeah just say it once

968
00:33:41,330 --> 00:33:39,240
we can take it off on our Bingo cards

969
00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:41,340
then and then the ball starts rolling

970
00:33:43,549 --> 00:33:42,600
and the conversation starts happening

971
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:43,559
you know because people will go what's

972
00:33:48,409 --> 00:33:46,080
on hi yeah absolutely but lesson we'll

973
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:48,419
be back on Friday and with a bit more of

974
00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:50,580
a rounded update on on what people have

975
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:52,860
thought about this it's happened share

976
00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:54,720
your thoughts thanks for listening Dan

977
00:33:59,090 --> 00:33:56,820
welcome back to the UK and the quality

978
00:34:00,409 --> 00:33:59,100
sound again thank you so much thank you

979
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:00,419
for having me and it's uh it's nice to

980
00:34:03,130 --> 00:34:02,159
be back however long that last thought

981
00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:03,140
of course

982
00:34:07,730 --> 00:34:05,940
that is all for this week's show thank

983
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,740
you very much for listening please

984
00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:09,599
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985
00:34:14,810 --> 00:34:12,300
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995
00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:36,000
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996
00:34:40,020 --> 00:35:05,830
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997
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998
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:30,530
thank you

999
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:32,880
come back nearly kiss myself and I

1000
00:36:18,130 --> 00:35:55,870
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1001
00:36:23,330 --> 00:36:20,690
consider your space consider your lies

1002
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:23,340
consider your life

1003
00:37:04,750 --> 00:36:57,310
[Music]

1004
00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:06,910
thank you

1005
00:37:24,110 --> 00:37:21,970
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1006
00:37:45,220 --> 00:37:24,120
thank you